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State budget plan means more fees in your future

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    June 30, 2011 6:41:16 AM PDT

    State budget plan means more fees in your future

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    Associated Press

    SACRAMENTO — Every Californian with a vehicle will pay $12 more a year to register it, and millions of property owners who live outside cities will pay $150 annually for state fire protection under two new fees imposed by lawmakers as part of the budget passed late Tuesday.

    However, the moves could face legal challenges from opponents who argue the fees are taxes in disguise.

    Democrats who control the Legislature approved the fees without Republican support. By law, the Legislature cannot pass new taxes without a two-thirds vote, which requires approval from at least some Republican lawmakers.

    But Democrats believe the vehicle and firefighting fees fall into a legal loophole by paying for services, and as a result can be passed with a simple majority under Proposition 26, approved by voters in November.

    The $12 vehicle fee will go to the Department of Motor Vehicles for its administrative costs and will free a projected $300 million that in turn will go to local governments that will take over responsibility for tens of thousands of lower-level criminals.

    The $150 fire fee will be imposed on more than 846,000 homes in 31 million rural acres covered by the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. It would raise an estimated $50 million the first year, and ultimately $200 million annually, to prevent and fight fires in the vast area covers about one-third of the state.

    The Department of Forestry and Fire Protection offers fire prevention and suppression efforts in what are known at state responsibility areas. Fifty-six of the state's 58 counties have SRAs. Sutter and San Francisco counties don't.

    In Colusa County, the fees will apply to homes in 259,217 acres. In Yuba County, the state coverage area is 216,121 acres. The actual number of homes in those counties was not available.

    The nonpartisan Office of Legislative Counsel ruled that both fees can be imposed without a two-thirds vote under Proposition 26 to directly pay for specific state services, said state Sen. Mark Leno, who chairs the Senate budget committee.

    Moreover, the vehicle fee is allowed because it increases an existing fee from $31 to $43, said Leno, D-San Francisco.

    As for the fire fee, he argued that it's only fair for rural residents to pay for their own protection instead of having the money come from general taxes.

    "Fee for service. You get what you pay for," Leno said.

    That reasoning persuaded Kody Binns, a 30-year resident of South Lake Tahoe, though she wasn't happy about it.

    Her home was among 254 destroyed four years ago when a wildfire swept through a forested subdivision. She barely escaped with her two sons, dog and cat.

    As souvenirs, she keeps several shiny pieces of once-molten metal — all that remains of her home — and a since-renovated all-terrain vehicle that had the seat and all four tires melted away.

    "Everything has gone up," she said, complaining of higher property taxes and water fees. "I can't afford it, but I think it's a good idea. Maybe we could hold a bake sale or something."

    The argument didn't persuade state Sen. Bob Huff, R-Diamond Bar, though he acknowledged the increases may pass legal muster.

    "We heard earlier that this budget contains no taxes and you should understand, technically, it doesn't," Huff said during the budget debate. "Well, that's a little accounting gymnastics, but that's how you circumvent legal taxes but you still charge people more money."

    The Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association is analyzing the bills and considering a legal challenge, said association legislative director David Wolfe. He said the association must wait until Gov. Jerry Brown signs the measures into law, and may wait until vehicle and homeowners begin paying the fees before a possible lawsuit is filed.

    An effort in 2004 to impose a $35 fee on SRA property owners sparked a legal battle, led by the California Farm Bureau Federation.


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    June 30, 2011 6:56:08 AM PDT
    I don't know about the rest of you here on this forum but CA just got to us for an additional $186 for the year. Our property taxes are already in excess of $2K. We only own 5 acres and a small 1600 sq ft home. Plus the State Income Taxes that we pay. Will it ever stop? NOPE, California is NOT a very friendly place to be fiscally these days. Is it any wonder that people are leaving CA in droves, that no one in their right mind would attempt to start up a business and hire employees?

    End of RANT!
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    June 30, 2011 10:38:05 AM PDT
    My concern is as the businesses leave, it decreases the amount of taxes paid by the business through goods and services, plus employees and their purchases, homes, etc. Those of us left get hit harder to make up the difference.
    The politicians always cut essential services because it creates emotion - which in turn allows them to pass higher taxes in the name of "saving the services". Gov. Brown wanted to go to Sac and fix things. The budget has no reforms on spending and compensation. AHHnold said the same thing. Anything to get in office I guess. They fix nothing and continually put more fees and restrictions on businesses and the general population.  
    In my opinion, there are two problems:
    Waste in the government. This includes everything from mandated spending on things that affect a very small minority to spending money for services utilized by illegal aliens. 
    Corruption. Political leaders of both parties are beholden to the unions and other special interests that are funding their elections. Somehow we've got to get the money out of politics; might be impossible

    Maybe if our State did go bankrupt things would change. The biggest change we can make is by voting. It sure is getting harder and harder to be optimistic about California - and our nation. There are many people that are great employers, great with money, great leaders. Some are here in our own community. Too bad we couldn't draft them to lead us out of the mess! 

    As missquiddle stated, "End of RANT!"
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    July 1, 2011 6:33:12 PM PDT
    Face it.  California is ran by the SF bay area and L.A.  While most counties vote conservative the big liberal areas have the population.  So that is one reason we are screwed no matter who we vote in, they are in the minority in Sacramento. 
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    July 1, 2011 10:20:22 PM PDT
    To be fair to Gov. Brown, he is trying very hard and unlike Arnie has made some headway, albiet not much.  Nevertheless, he is flexiable enough to at least work with all concerned whereas Aaarrrnnoold was not although he could speak a good game if he set his mind to it-he just couldn't produce anything.  Any Gov. who comes in is going to face a VERY polarized senate and assembly and I think Brown described it perfectly in saying it is almost to the point of a religion in and of itself the platform adherence of the two parties who won't work with each other.  While this budgest isn't the best, I think under the circusmstances it's the best we are getting this year (yes, I know it reeks big time and it is not what we expected) but really and realisticly it could have been much worse and proabbly will be once the deeper fragmentations surface.  They are already starting to as seen by the dismanteling of the State Department of Mental Health, Alcohol and Drug Programs, Dept. of Developmental Services and several other service departments,  These 3 departments will be disolved and parceled out, The Dept. of Mental Health will become The Dept. of State Hospitals and all other aspects will fall under Dept. of Public Health.   Any oversite of Grants etc. have fallen under realignment which means the money goes straight to the counties but with no accountability, no audits and no oversight to insure this money is spent on services.  This was pulled of without the voters consent by the legislators (Consent of GOP and Democ.) under the guise of it being a policy matter, not a legislative matter).  This is/was only one of the many undercurrents flowing through right now which the Gov. has to contend with.

    The unfriendly business enviornment we can thank Big Corporations for that, not any one political party.  Their antics and monkeyshines ruined it for everybody else, not just in CA but nationwide.  B of A, JP Morgans and others have re-created the early wild west of Robber Baron Corporations etc.

    Wolf
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    July 2, 2011 7:21:57 AM PDT
    Thank You Wolf!

    It's nice to see fair and substantiated discourse on this subject!

    Too many on this site like to generalize, paint an "us and them" story, anxiously wring their hands or dis the state/nation, unwilling to dig deeper, get the facts and do something about it.

    On this July 4th weekend, we should celebrate all that is good instead of running down the rat hole of despair.

    Compared to other areas of the country or the world, WE DO have a lot to celebrate! Enjoy!
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    July 2, 2011 10:39:30 PM PDT
    What I do not understand is how the State can say our area and most areas in the foothill are state response areas when we have Local response. LRS or local response areas are areas that have there own fire departments with their own jurisdictions. Most of the areas here in the foothills have this. The only thing CalFire has jurisdiction in these areas is strictly wild fires, all other are local responsibility. CalFire does respond due to autoaid or mutual aid agreements...but it is still the local fire districts call and they have command of the incident, unless a wild fire.
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    July 10, 2011 9:03:04 PM PDT
    I would love to see Northern CA secede and form the 51st state.  We are so different politically and economically from Southern CA and the Bay Area, they only want us for our water.  From the Sutter County line north could be a new state - make SF and LA leave us alone!  
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    July 11, 2011 3:11:49 AM PDT
    Apologies all, I didn't read this before posting the article regarding the Fire Prevention Fee thing.....too bad I can't delete it.

    Lori,

    If you could, please delete my posting.
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    July 11, 2011 7:55:40 AM PDT
    I seem to recall from geography class that SF IS part of Northern California!
    Frankly, while SF/LA have major political influence, without them, the remainder of California would be an economic dribble at best, an extremely boring sociological/cultural landscape, yielding scarce political influence with little control of its future.