it seems to me the county has increased the cost of the services we hired the workers to do, not just increase thge costs but also brought more costs for new 'sevices " they feel we the public need.

 

Recently, I went to the yuba county dog pound to adopt a chocolate labrador retriever that was incarcerated there but as i stated the dog catcher told me he had to check with his boss. When she showed up she said i could not adopt the dog because i had over ran a law the county had decided to bring in for their reasons. Why?

 

I believe the county since 2005 when they doubled the listed employees based on a base of unknown funds,  certainly funding the county could not support, and based on the business atmosphere today, still can not support the group.

 

I have long felt the non auditing of TRLIA through the years 2004-2007 until i braced them at which time they hired a local cpa who listened to Dan Logue the architech of non auditing as head of TRLIA and made a mini audit.

 

Now, the recent descovery of TRLIA filing claims with the state DWR for reimbursement for sand berms not constructed, has given rise to the state to start investigating the requests. A recent one resulted in the withholding of $ 31,000.000 from the gold fields DWR awards, and when DWR demands the county return the $43,000,000 TRLIA engineers requested and recieved.the county employees hired in 2005 will no longer have a base. The upper management of the county also will be hard pressed to continue receiving more pay than the governor.

 

And our levee at the highway 70 area, is added to the junction of the slurry wall and sand berm, and the boulders that destroyed the foundation and the scour trench, joins and makes a three point failure waiting to happen.

 

Now, if the unaudited funds are stored away just waiting to be found, i would think those funds being unaudited, might be confiscated and returned to their rightful owners and if used to support benifits and retirements, that would be a loss to them i would think. We shall see.

Con't i believe the new program the county installed requiring a person who does over 5 services of dogs, such as breeding, selling, boarding, training, must now have a county permit as a "hobby " and be susceptible to county dog pound personnel visits as they desire.

I have had more than 5 in a year , not at the same time but since I supply search & rescue, police dogs, war Dogs, to trainers who finish them out as trained dogs, as well as train gun dogs for hunters, and once or so breed high bred dogs.

Now, number one i am retired and use this as a supplement to my SS, and have not felt my service to the armed forces, police agency's Was breaking a law, however the sheriff who took over that aspect of code enforcement, sees it as either a way to get back at me for showing his lack of knowledge of visible street patrol method of law enforcement, or they are desperate to find money to keep up their big government.

I believe the county is making an end run around prop 13, which prevents counties from raising taxes without a vote of the people. they seem to be increasing and creating "services" as a illegal fund raising method. what say ye?

So you get dogs from the pound and train them and then sell them?

 

 Now they won't let you get any more dogs without some sort of license?

 

 Some how your story about services led into several TRLIA paragraphs. I thought you were going to name some other services the county is doing that you don't think are necessary.

 

 What services do you think we can cut?

Don't get him started upthechain, Rex just started a new topic to continue his complaining about Yuba County in general. If you are really bored go though the 8 pages of his "What If" posting. as it is the same stuff.

I get Labradors that are not adoptable for reasons such as Fence climbing, escape artists, hyper and place them with trainers who further train them into war dogs, Sniffers, police dogs, saving them from death and saving human lives and limbs from danger overseas and here.

The paragraphs about the Levee not being worked on but TRLIA getting paid was what I believe happens to some of the unaudited levee funds that can not be found, used by the county for the 2005 increases in salary's, retirement packages, and other benefits for the expanded county upper management.

Each Department in Yuba County has a service we put them there to preform and it is my contention they have increased the Cost to us of those services without a vote of we the people as required under Prop 13.

The addition of the Hobby kennel was one example of a service placed on us that only effects the people who run up against it, there are others by the dozens where service costs such as Election fees are increased, Licenses fees, all have been increased to permit the new way to have a base of funds. This new way started in 2005 and as I said was probably ( with no audit to look at ) funded by unaudited levee funds incoming, and now with the state inspecting those funds, require the Services to be increased to maintain the status Quo.

The County of Yuba Administrator has reported in the Appeal democrat recently that he "Found" $6,000,000 here and again, He found $10,000,000 there, that could only be unaudited Millions taken in by the County from state propositions such as Prop 84 and Prop 13, water funds, at the expense of levee upgrades.

So what you're saying is that we the People have to vote on each and every fee increase by the County or new fees imposed by the County?

The counties have found no resistance from the FEE increases and have abused the practice. The Supervisors are to watch over our county to prevent sky rocketing fees from becoming a given to the Departments, but have not done so. Proposition 13 stopped the practice of Counties arbitrarily increasing taxes but the Counties call them "Fees' still a violation of Prop 13 by another name.

We the people under Prop 13 are protected from Fee increases as we are under tax increases. The supervisors are to place tax increases on the ballot and Yes, we the people are to vote for or against.

These fees have grown over the years to become part of the over head of the Greatly expanded county government since 2005.

Yes, we do have the right to vote up or down on Fees or taxes.

Prop 13 related only to property taxes Rex. As for other taxes we recently approved the initiative relating to them where they are required to put a tax increase on the ballot. Again so you clearly understand..............Prop 13 specifically relates to PROPERTY taxes.

It is now time for the Jarvis group to plug that loophole, as they did PROP 13. You sound to gleeful in your statements, why so?

comprehension problems on this thread as well Rex?

You consider your self quite highly, why? Are you well versed in all these reply's you make? Are you a expert in all of them Or just like to blow smoke?

You say the experts are right about the levee work being where they sway it is, You say the audit of TRLIA is straight up rock solid on the dime, You say the statute preventing 99.9 % of california voters and leaving just law enforcement to run for sheriff is good law and over rules the state constitution article 2, section 12, and any thing else I am experienced and have long tenure in, you know better?

You have lived here since 2005, how can you be so smart? You must be well experienced to be able to use your experience to refute me. Unbelievable!

I tremble to think you will post more intelligent experienced posts showing unwavering solid proof I am wrong, as you have on this thread. Woe unto me, from the proof you bear!

In my opinion, yuba county should have about 450 employees to serve the people and the top salary should not over $100,000.

The county of yuba is supposed to serve the people in the basic needs a county must supply, proper law enforcement, road repair, auditor, county clerk, Board of supervisors.

Yuba county has so many splinters off these needed departments that since 2005 they have grown to over one thousand employees while holding the position among counties of 25,000 population and over, of the fourth worst economy in the united states!

Yuba county officials since 2005, have discouraged business in the county and planned something else, something that required the dismantling of Linda, something that requires that the constitution law not be used in local courts, law enforcement, and a law that fits the government plans instead be used.

The fuel for this New Way is un audited levee funds, that can not be found through asking county officials. The funds started flowing into the county under the guidance of Dan logue supervisor, Richard Webb RD 784, And other county officials, with no window to observe the millions, the flow grew and was placed who knows where.

Hopefully we will know soon.

Oh Boy, finally a new topic from Rex. Oh no I just read it and found it to be the same old excrement that he has been expounding forever. Oh well we can always hope can't we?

BVJACK, Are you saying I am wrong in my posting of the "Fuel" that Elected and appointed Yuba county Officials are using to try to create a "Safe" City in the Eastern part of the County? If so, could you post the reasons I am wrong. If not, if you are just shooting arrows, read below. "

INVALIDATOR"

It's hard to recognize an invalidator, because a truly good one can bypass the scrutiny of your logical mind, and you find yourself feeling bad without knowing why. The invalidator is underhanded, and the person being invalidated is often unsuspecting except for knowing that he or she feels bad. The invalidator actually feels inferior to some other person, so he or she tries to make that other person feel small. Thus the invalidator can control the victim. Have you met anyone like this? Whether you are aware of it or not, you probably have. You probably know one or several invalidators.
The invalidator uses various suppressive mechanisms to chop away at your self-esteem. He pretends to acknowledge something you are proud of, then later makes some negative insinuation about it. He feels out what you think your shortcomings are and then exploits them at calculated times when he knows you are vulnerable. The invalidator may persist in invalidating you until you succumb. He has to control you because he perceives you as being superior to him. He takes accusations that have "some truth" and fires them at you "in all honesty," "just being your friend," "to help you out."

So Rex are you saying that I am an "invalidator?" Been called many names in my life but this is a first. Thanks.

If it fits wear it. An invalidator is self descriptive, but mostly it is someone who feels inferior and try's to make a person feel small, according to the post. Again, If it fits wear it.

Citizens, have you noticed the increase in costs of local Government services? We hired these people to fill positions to serve needs. In 2005, the Board of Supervisors approved vast salary increase as well as Vast position allocations which grew Yuba county to an area that no longer can be met by the legal income, so the Officials have went to non legal methods it appears. One way of illegal income is covered in the other Cleanup thread showing the Officials claiming to have done levee work and claiming reimbursement for that non work, another is not so illegal as it is immoral, that of increasing fees in order to maintain the illegal funding's standard of living.

In my Opinion, and without a true audit I cyan not PROVE this, Over 405,000,000 has went through County Officials hands, since 2004, and I say salary's, benefits , retirements, of County elected and appointed officials have benefited greatly over these years. BUT, the Funds from levee work have been curtained leaving only the true amount needed for the levee work as approved now by the State, and no excess overflow for county official;s private programs, IMO. What say ye BV Jack?

bvjack - Welcome to the club, Rex said the same thing about me in his other topic. I guess Rex has been busy trying to find ways to further validate his own opinions. To recap anyone who doesn't agree with Rex an his point of view is now an invalidator. Actually Rex that would be a pretty good description of your personality.

Invalidatordad, looking for support? If it fits wear it Invalidator, you deserve the title as shown by the description, wear it well Invalidator of Plumas lake.

What I was getting at was the County no longer needs these specialists, engineers, assistants to the Assistants, associate's to the associates, in the Sheriffs office, and the other offices.

We must stop the employees from increasing the cost of services in order to maintain their status quo, The Board of Supervisors are of no help in this needed duty, the people must step forward, acquaint them selves with the needed employees and remove the over growth.

This isn't a politics forum, it's a cleanup rants forum........you people that respond are only adding fuel to the fire. don't respond everyone knows how he is.

bvblackie, great oratory there! Another comes out of the woodwork's! nothing of interest topic wise, just rants like invalidators 2grands, invalidatordad, Bvjackdad , bvjack, bvblackie, one and the same!

More help for invalidators

Invalidation

Definition:

Invalidation - Invalidation is the creation or promotion of an environment which encourages an individual to believe that their thoughts, beliefs, values or physical presence are inferior, flawed, problematic or worthless.

Description:

Invalidation of other people is a common technique used by abusive people to divert attention away from flaws in their own logic, character and insecurity and to put pressure on others to yield control to them. Attention is often deflected away from the subject or problem at hand and the surrogate topic "look what's wrong with you" is introduced.

The victim is thus maneuvered into the position where in order to deal with the problem they are concerned about, they must first demonstrate to the perpetrator that they have fixed all the flaws in themselves. This is rarely resolved and the perpetrator successfully avoids addressing the original problem or issue

BVBLACK. javadad, 2grands, bvjack look at your last posts, deflecting attention, seek help!

Go for it Rex - blame me for your failures and for being so hard headed that you've alienated those that might have helped you. Go ahead and blame me because I have enough power to cause you to lose elections and recalls, cause you to not be believed, and cause Yuba County officials to single you out. Yep, you've got me pegged.

Raining again Rex....

Invalidation of other people is a common technique used by abusive people to divert attention away from flaws in their own logic, character and insecurity and to put pressure on others to yield control to them. Attention is often deflected away from the subject or problem at hand and the surrogate topic "look what's wrong with you" is introduced.

you failed to address the topic again, the state finally looking at TRLIA/ YUBA COUNTY and holding back all funds not needed for levee work. invalidators to the forefront, bring your" REX IS WRONG,,,REX IS WRONG" Could you invalidators bring some proof to the thread, that>>>REX IS WRONG, REX IS WRONG ,HERE IS THE PROOF!!!!

TRLIA audit information is available Rex. I found this out for myself. All the information I could ever want, all day long. All the information is there. You have made a choice about what you believe.

Get over yourself. The only reason you are mad is because you have nothing but your own opinion. This is why you are angry; you can't back up your claims and you and I both know you aren't an expert. Great entertainment in a new thread too.

Invalidation of other people is a common technique used by abusive people to divert attention away from flaws in their own logic, character and insecurity and to put pressure on others to yield control to them. Attention is often deflected away from the subject or problem at hand and the surrogate topic "look what's wrong with you" is introduced.

you again fail to address the topic, what is wrong with you? "you are angry" another invalidator quirk, you just CAN not help your self it appears!, seek help!

There is a personality type called the Invalidator: he feels badly about himself inside and the way he contends with it is striking out at others that look like easy ...

seek help by posting on topic, and not striking out...

The topic has been addressed Rex, you can make claims until the cows come home. if the State is investigating as you claim then gives us the names of the people and the agencies doing the investigation as you claim. I DON"T BELIEVE YOU.

Are all the people I've been in touch with in Government Agencies also Invalidators?

So you feel that 2grands, myself, and others abusive? To who?

The person who needs help here Rex is most certainly you. Who is the one here who is diverting attention? So all of us are invalidators and you are the who is right?

Seems to me Rex like you are the invalidator in this situation.

Remember a while back I mentioned my sister who is a psychologist, I guess she is an invalidator as well since she read some of what you wrote and agreed with me that you are a narcissist.

Get over yourself Rex and get the help that you need.

Call myself and others invalidators all you want Rex, that isn't going to change anything in your life.

So why would we feel badly about ourselves Rex? Are you suddenly a fully qualified shrink?

I wonder if it is possible a neighbor complained about the noise of a dog training business in a residential area? It appears that it is no secret dogs are trained and sold for income. There could be a zoning issue. It certainly is not a stretch to see a neighbor complaining or even someone that has been rubbed the wrong way (that's a lot people Rex! - LOL) stopping an unlicensed or improperly zoned operation. All speculation on my part.

Be nice 2grands.........you know Rex can't handle thinking logically as we invalidators frequently do. Yes Rex I am most certainly mocking you now, all I can say is deal with it. You want keep calling us invalidators that is fine by me. If we are wrong about our assertions then prove us wrong.

2grands has made a very good point with regards to your apparently under the table dog training business. I should imagine if you lived in the foothills and had acrs of land such as friend of mine who trains dogs it wouldn't be an issue at all.

There is a personality type called the Invalidator: he feels badly about himself inside and the way he contends with it is striking out at others that look like easy ..

Yep, that describes me Rex, I feel very badly about myself, I guess you have me pegged.

So the topicis the levees in Yuba County Rex, where is your proof? Who is investigating (besides you), which agencies, people and their positions?

Real simple questions Rex.

There is a personality type called the Invalidator: he feels badly about himself inside and the way he contends with it is striking out at others that look like easy...

2Grands said:
I wonder if it is possible a neighbor complained about the noise of a dog training business in a residential area? It appears that it is no secret dogs are trained and sold for income. There could be a zoning issue. It certainly is not a stretch to see a neighbor complaining or even someone that has been rubbed the wrong way (that's a lot people Rex! - LOL) stopping an unlicensed or improperly zoned operation. All speculation on my part.

I Would like to straighten out your non topic post 2 grandsinvalidator, My training activities are conducted at Several Farms in Yuba , Sutter, Colusa and Butte county where supporters of mine have let me train for Many years. No training haws been done nor will it be done in my neighborhood, although my neighbors all support me in my endeavers to bring out Corruption in Yuba county.

You have brought to mind a time in Court when the Judge and I were jawing about training and selling gun dogs during a break, which I have done for Fourty years or More, and the ada BRAD ENOS, piped in and saisd do you pay taxes on those dogs?

The Judge said he was out of order and that we were carrying on a private conversation. To this day I believe that was where Durfor got the idea to "Go after me" as the Police Dog Trainer told me, it Fits a computer geek IMO.

Invalidator2grand, On thisw forum you also have , Like InvalidatorDad, postewd numerous posts without touching the topic, You fit the profile.

Admissions of evidence planting for quotas.

This was the headline of the New york paper regarding a Detective who admitted on the stand that officers in New York had quotas to meet and they falsified evidence to gain it.

This is a little off topic but I say where the Biggest cities law enforcement falsify evidence, the little fellers do to.

In Yuba County citizens are arrested on charges brought against them based on the Penal code, but, the trial itself does not always follow the Penal code. When it is brought to the attention of Council that penal code law and Constitutions the penal code is based on, counsel says," We are not under that here" So, the saying in Yuba county of " We can You can not" is true, The Arrests are based on Law, the Trials are not unless it favors the Court. You do not believe this until you run up against it.

Boy, Oh Boy, Rex what the heck does dogs have to do with the levees??? I see you are still runing around like a chicken with its head cut off. Blame everone for your problesm but your self. I feel sorry for the dogs that you train, they probley run around in circles just like you.

Watch out feather, Rex will place you in the ranks of the "invalidators", essentially that means anyone who doesn't agree with him!!

"What the Heck has Dogs got to do with Levees"?

The topic is the Increasing of Fees for our services we hired citizens to preform. These hired hands were to follow the status quo and be paid a salary for serving the County people. In 2005 the County officials, thinking the Housing boom would last forever, mistakenly changed the Salary schedule with out the permission of the people, to a height the county could not afford unless it had a unknown massive source of funding.

Today, The Boom is over, however, the new high salary base continues, How? By having a Source from an unknown channel of Money. This money can not be sustained through the place I believe it came from because the State is now over seeing that source and in fact removed $31,000,000 from a TRLIA request Just recently!

Yuba county officials have to face the music soon when the State comes after their money, then what will the officials do? What will the retirees do?: The retirements are one of many benefits derived from the Boom years explosive promises, the Population of the County workers has to be dropped. One thing though, if the County powers are still cutting checks for Positions that are vacant, it may not hurt people, just "Positions" but it will cut where ever that Empty "Position" money is used..

Now, Back to the Dogs. The County of yuba has grown the Government and stepped on the People who want to do as we did all our lives, make our own living! The County of Yuba under Logue and his cohorts, Bendorf, mallen, Brunner, Nicoletti, Durfor, McGrath,
Hansen has stopped business from coming to the County as well as bringing ordinances that work against our ability to supplant our SS funds and any retirement funds we have miraculously saved.

I as i stated am fortunate to be a fair gun dog trainer sell a few over the year. How ever, A sheriff who holds his office by default, by a 1989 statute that started blocking all non law enforcement peoples competition that year and continues today with the Help of Attorneys who will not uphold the State Constitution Article 2 section 12, he takes over the Ordinance " Hobby Kennel" to go after the Messenger who brings out Corruption.

This Country was built by Citizens who were talented and able to earn Their supplement by doing things to bring in money, as I have with Gun Dogs and Police Dogs.

I have an open order on my desk for Five Detection dogs of Various types, however, under the Sheriffs "Going after me" as a Police dog trainer warned me about, I have told the person who placed the order, I can not fill the order.

Sheriff Durfor's pound people have told me if I do any service, Breed, Train, Board, Sell, Give Away of Five dogs in a year, I am breaking the ordinance of 2007.

I was supplying Dogs for war dogs, Hunting Dogs since 1975, never having more than four dogs at a time, in various stages of Training, and Sheriff durfor decided in 2011 to 'go after me" as he did in 2008, right when i was ready to bring out the non sand berm construction, with a meeting i had scheduled on the levee February 11 2008, but durfor sent eight deputies to my home on false allegations they had stacked to convince the judge to go along, People when you run up against it, it will be too late.

Rex you are right I feel bad about myself. The reason?
1. I have never been kicked off a public forum.

2. I have never been arrested for child abuse.

3. I have never been able to get near as many people out to get me as you claim to have.
4. I have never been kicked off of the Sheriff's reserves.
I have heard that you fit all 4, however I may be mistaken so I am sure you will let me know if I am wrong.

bvjack - That description fits me as well, maybe that is why I feel so bad about myself........

Actually #2 requires correction, it wasn't child abuse, he was accused (not convicted) of molesting two young girls.

That said I feel bad about myself as you do bvjack.

cleanup said:
There is a personality type called the Invalidator: he feels badly about himself inside and the way he contends with it is striking out at others that look like easy...

THese are not my words, they are world wide knowlwdge of a Persaonality glitch that fits Javadead, and others on this forum. If you feel bad, you are probably in the same fIx he is in. read his last few posts and you will see what a Invalidator posts like.

The only problem with your definition Rex is that I definitely don't feel bad about myself. If what you said were true then all of us are invalidators simply for disagreeing with you and asking you to post real proof. Sorry bapl the only thing we are guilty of is calling you with reagrds to your accusations against officials.

"we"?