cleanup said:

cleanup said:
There is a personality type called the Invalidator: he feels badly about himself inside and the way he contends with it is striking out at others that look like easy...

You seem to have trouble understanding those are not my words, they were lifted off of numerous descriptions on the web of a INVALIDATOR. you most certainly fit that description, by the posts you continue posting! " striking out at others that .... every post you make solidifys you as a INVALIDATOR, again the description fits you, fits the words, not my words, the world wide web words.

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"In short, the invalidator does whatever is necessary to control you. He is control-crazy, and any time he perceives himself to be not in control, he will be scared. "

Another description of JavaDeads sickness, these descriptions are known world wide on the web.

This is a draft of my platform when i was running against Daniels R.Logue for Linda supervisor in 2006. As can be seen, Logue got 34 more votes than I and Linda was destroyed by the board of supervisors, as i feared.

5-5-06
To: My supporter’s, my plan to revitalize Linda has three stages.

• The first step is to work with the new Sheriff to return the Yuba County Sheriff’s Deputies to patrolling the Streets of Linda as they must to protect and serve.
Visible street patrol is a given and the Sheriffs failure over the past seven years to direct officers to patrol our Streets has led to further deterioration of Linda . The Sheriff was hired to direct patrol of our streets to keep us free from illegal activity and is not free to choose to patrol or not patrol a whole city such as Linda and Olivehurst! Visible Street Patrol is vital to revitalizing Linda!
• The second step is to return the public works department to working in the interior of Linda, another vital step towards revitalizing our town and bringing business to Linda!
• The third is to encourage infill of Linda with business interests in areas such as North Beale Road, Lindhurst Avenue and Feather River Blvd to bring needed shopping areas to accommodate our new neighbors with places to shop locally and increase our economic base, as well as recreational areas.

My opponent has announced on local radio that he wants to build a new town south of Erle road with a town center, but, he does not mention infrastructure needs for the existing Homeowners and voters of Linda who have not seen a public works project other than pot hole repairs in residential areas off the main roads, in his full term of office.

I am not against responsible growth as is shown in my plan to revitalize Linda. My plan of infill development of our thoroughfares and public works projects in interior residential streets addresses the needs of existing and new areas of Linda and can be built upon as responsible growth occurs. Respecting Beale Air Force Bases Buffer zone, Farmers rights, all of the existing and new citizens of Linda’s rights are a priority of mine.
Rex Archer 5-5-06

Yes Rex I do understand those aren't your words, they are one of the definitions for the word invalidator which you looked up on the internet. What you fail to understand (as I've said a couple times now) is that for your use of the word invalidator to be an accurate description my personality means that I would I have to be bad about myself. I can tell you that is most certainly not the case with regards to me as an individual. Unfortunately you have tunnel vision and have keyed in on a word which doesn't apply to me most certainly, or for that matter any of the others who disagree with you.

As for striking out at you, when have I done that? If disagreeing with what you have and challenging your claims is a sickness then so be it Rex I am a sick individual (in case you missed it Rex I am being extremely sarcastic in that last sentence. In all honesty Rex the word invalidator might be an accurate description of your personality, along with an already confirmed diagnosis of being a narcissist.

Invalidators like alcoholics, do not believe they are what they are. The mere fact that Invaladators ( plural) are so widely known gives proof of their existence, Yours included.
You like all invalidators. strike back from fear according to those who know when a not ill person posts the truth.

Sorry to say but Invaladator for a fact fits you to a T, I am sorry to say, Poor man, but hey I did not cause your condition it is inherited I am told. Read back at your posts, face it man, that is your life Tom Erickson! Seek help!!

So again Rex I ask you.......since you appear to be such an expert in determining which people are invalidators. What do I fear in life? For what reasons would I have to feel bad about myself? Lets look at some FACTS here Rex.........

1) You are one who complains about the powers that be in Yuba County and how they are "out to get you"

2) You attack anyone who doesn't agree with your perspective on topics you chose post post on.

3) You see conspiracies at every turn.

Why would I feel bad about myself?

1) I have a terrific why and wonderful children.

2) I have many people whom call my friend.

3) I have a great job and work with great people.

4) I am well educated and have accomplished a lot of great things throughout my life.

5) I've received recognition for my accomplishments in both my civilian and military work.

I could go on but I've made my point. Oh yes, and to top it all off Rex if I was truly an invalidator as you seem to think I am why are you the ONLY person to ever call me that?

I'm not the one to have used the word despise to describe how I feel about someone.

Another way to describe an invalidator Rex would simply be to say they are "control freaks". Which I am most certainly not either.

The only person who needs help Rex is you.

Over and out.

There you go !! Proving what I say is so easy, you can't help Yourself so you need outside help. We have great doctors here and Sacramento is just down the road, you drive there to your job, hey, do they know your condition? I noticed a lot of your posts are when you should be working, nothing to me but I guess your sickness blinds you to cheating the ole boss by posting on his or her time.

Thanks for your advice Rex, I guess I'll see the help you say I so badly need.

Again though Rex you never answered my earlier questions. Do you know why you can't answer my earlier questions? I'll answer for you............ Because you know absolutely nothing about me. Just in case you had high hopes I was again being sarcastic in my previous post.

Let it all hang out, admit your affliction ! That is the first step a alcoholic takes to gain cure, as stated an Invalidator needs the same cure, go for it!

The one who complains about name calling and being off-topic is the master of it. Rex, should people be calling you names that accurately describe you as:
political loser,
name caller,
reputation for ignoring and twisting facts,
accused of serious legal issues (ACM) - people can google the charges for themselves....
is this where you want things to go? How stupid.
It all comes down to your lack of proof and frustration when proven wrong - as javadad has done. Let's all hang out? YOu've been asked to me and you refuse (afraid to be embarrassed face to face?) MAN UP and admit you efforts are because you hate Yuba County leadership when it is the citizens that did not support you. All this and you still ignore your own website and complain here. Must be because your website gets very few visits or have you been advised against posting lies and slander in writing?
Enough is enough - discuss the topic or just stop posting.

cleanup said:
This is a draft of my platform when i was running against Daniels R.Logue for Linda supervisor in 2006. As can be seen, Logue got 34 more votes than I and Linda was destroyed by the board of supervisors, as i feared. 5-5-06 To: My supporter’s, my plan to revitalize Linda has three stages. • The first step is to work with the new Sheriff to return the Yuba County Sheriff’s Deputies to patrolling the Streets of Linda as they must to protect and serve. Visible street patrol is a given and the Sheriffs failure over the past seven years to direct officers to patrol our Streets has led to further deterioration of Linda . The Sheriff was hired to direct patrol of our streets to keep us free from illegal activity and is not free to choose to patrol or not patrol a whole city such as Linda and Olivehurst! Visible Street Patrol is vital to revitalizing Linda! • The second step is to return the public works department to working in the interior of Linda, another vital step towards revitalizing our town and bringing business to Linda! • The third is to encourage infill of Linda with business interests in areas such as North Beale Road, Lindhurst Avenue and Feather River Blvd to bring needed shopping areas to accommodate our new neighbors with places to shop locally and increase our economic base, as well as recreational areas. My opponent has announced on local radio that he wants to build a new town south of Erle road with a town center, but, he does not mention infrastructure needs for the existing Homeowners and voters of Linda who have not seen a public works project other than pot hole repairs in residential areas off the main roads, in his full term of office. I am not against responsible growth as is shown in my plan to revitalize Linda. My plan of infill development of our thoroughfares and public works projects in interior residential streets addresses the needs of existing and new areas of Linda and can be built upon as responsible growth occurs. Respecting Beale Air Force Bases Buffer zone, Farmers rights, all of the existing and new citizens of Linda’s rights are a priority of mine. Rex Archer 5-5-06

Back in 2006, My campaign manager said , " no body can bring as much money to the table as Dan Logue" I had no idea where he kept getting hundreds of thousands of dollars since his real estate business had fell through the floor, but no that I know TRILA was not auditing the millions of dollars  coming in and Logue was in command of both Yuba County and TRLIA, I wonder??

Logues plan as stated above was to build a business development off of Erle road and my desire was to rebuild Linda, neither of us got what we wanted, however Yuba county officials still dream that dream following Agenda 21.

With the Linda levee having half construction here and half construction there, I doubt they will ever be able to build there.

Again another invalidator steps up using the same " go after the messenger" and say nothing about the topic, do anything possible to take the public eye off the truth.

2 grand, my advice IS given freely to all invalidators , including you and to be honest with you you are a close second to your invalidator mentor Tom Erickson.

Birds of a feather , flock together, so sad, but true 2grandadator, too bad but like your mentor admit your affliction now before it is too late! Like the reformed alcoholic she had to admit her illness first the begin the long cure.

You really need to search for help, for many years you have displayed the Invaladator quirks as you do now, SEEK HELP!!

Interesting Rex, I didn't know that one could be trained to be an invalidator (as a mentor would do). Earlier you said it ti be a sickness. We also have invalidator quirks? That is rich!! As for the public eye people can read what you post and make their own determination as to the validity of your claims. Hence they become self "invalidators" by determining whether or not the information you've posted is valid or not.

Complain away Rex and watch out for other invalidators, they're everywhere. Look in the mirror and perhaps you will see the greatest invalidator of them all..

btw you reported us for cyber-bullying Rex, how did that go? Since we're still posting that must mean the site moderator doesn't agree with you, does that them a co-invalidator?


Friday is here, time to enjoy time with my precious family. Have a great weekends 2grands.

I need help? Unlike you, I will take all I can get. Strength in numbers you know.
Funny, when I have offered suggestions, solutions, and procedures to resolve this matter it has been welcomed - as with most matters I have had involvement. You have proven time and again that the goal is a sick attempt to keep everyone mad at Yuba County thru the vehicle of Rex Archer. Still trying to VALIDATE your losses and legal hassles? When you decide to stay on topic and treat other's opinions with honor plus respect facts then we can have a discussion. Until then, you remind me of a playground punk complaining that you got the short end of the straw while refusing to accept you got what you asked for.

Update that website of yours yet?

We are solving nothing. What a waste of time and energy except for entertainment value.

To use one of your favorite words Rex, one which you have used to describe 2grands and myself on more than one occasion. You sir are pathetic, now that sure sounds like a word an invalidator would use in an attempt to put another down.

The thing is Rex you are the invalidator here, one trait of which is the inability to admit when they are wrong about something, another is blaming others for their problems. On that note Rex my advice, seriously, MAN UP and get the help that you require.

WHAT?

cleanup said:
Again another invalidator steps up using the same " go after the messenger" and say nothing about the topic, do anything possible to take the public eye off the truth. 2 grand, my advice IS given freely to all invalidators , including you and to be honest with you you are a close second to your invalidator mentor Tom Erickson. Birds of a feather , flock together, so sad, but true 2grandadator, too bad but like your mentor admit your affliction now before it is too late! Like the reformed alcoholic she had to admit her illness first the begin the long cure. You really need to search for help, for many years you have displayed the Invaladator quirks as you do now, SEEK HELP!!

What have I said that is improper Rex? In this thread, supposedly about County Services (which you turned into another levee/county leadership complaint thread), I questioned if you violated a zoning issue, had neighbor complaints, were operating an unlicensed business, or some other code violation? I question your motives as your claims to hold "evidence" only produce snip-its that continue to be refuted almost every time.

Notice your website is still not updated - that is interesting evidence too.

Lets move on shall we? I have stated the County Departments were grown in 2005 from unknown funds, today the funds are no longer available, the county is broke as has been stated in the local print, and in my opinion, the departments have become department stores, selling the services for a profit to maintain the status quo.

The county as stated in another thread, filed for reimbursement of local funds they say they spent on sand berms, received those reimbursements but did not put the money in the general funds as shown by the county supervisor who demanded the auditor not put the funds there and demanded the auditor, an elected by the people officer, step down!

Off topic briefly: There is a TV show called " American greed" about white collar crooks who get caught every day, watch it sometime.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Rex:
Why don't you take your complaints to your own website? Why has YF become your sounding board when you have your own, self controlled forum at your disposal?

Not everyone agrees there have been no audit of funds to Yuba County. If I can find evidence of audits you can too.

You keep going in circles. Provide evidence, factually correct and supported by authorities to generate support for your position. Create enough community support and changes will happen. The problem arises when the issue becomes about Rex Archer and his history with Yuba County instead of doing what is right for the people of Yuba County. Go about things the right way and you will get the recognition you crave.

easy_t said:
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Well said, Edmund Burkes famous quote comes to minde: " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

2grands, you have your own idea about my reasons, i have my idea as well, that is to open the window and permit transparency of yuba county government. You disagree with me, so be it, not every one agrees the audits by TRLIA are true to the facts. i believe that will be settled soon, the governor signed a bill that permits auditing of local government by the state. The sad part is it takes effect in January of 2012, oh well better late than never.

bvjack said:
Rex you are right I feel bad about myself. The reason? 1. I have never been kicked off a public forum. 2. I have never been arrested for child abuse. 3. I have never been able to get near as many people out to get me as you claim to have. 4. I have never been kicked off of the Sheriff's reserves. I have heard that you fit all 4, however I may be mistaken so I am sure you will let me know if I am wrong.

OFF TOPIC.

 

1. "I have never been kicked off a public forum." The Plumas lake life Forum was taken over by the Appeal Dempcrat, a known supportert of TRLIA officials, and the Counhty officials agenda.

2. "I have never been arrested for Child abuse" In 2008 The County Sheriff and District attorney falsified allegations causing the Judge and jury to prejudge me and when finally I got a attorney who was not part of the Local Syatem, they dropped all stacked and fabricated allegations.

3. When you bring out local corruption as I have, you ruffle some crooked feathers.

4. "I havwe never been kicked off the Sheriffs Reserves."  Neither have I BVJAck, I resigned my commission as a 12 year longivity Lieutenant of Reserves to accept appointment as a Yuba county Welfare fraud investigator, and then aqppoinhted as Yuba Ciunty process server by the Sheriff, then "Kicked off that poistion by Virginia Black, who I sued and won.

 

you are anoymous BVJACK so I do not know if you have ever met any of the 4 but Cowards are able to hide on these forums, any way, I have set the record straight unless you proof of the opposite.

Think about that... " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing..

Is it because they no longer care? Because It isn't my business, They are not goring my Ox, I am too busy. Or is it because of being asleep at the wheel?

People we are seeing a small group of people break our laws to get to a goal they started in 1989 or so, that of Building a "Safe Community". While they do so, Good men do nothing.

Hiding? Coward? How many times have you been invited to have a face to face meeting but refuse?
You're going in circles Rex. You've provided nothing new in many, many months - except you now have hassles with Animal Control. There is a common denominator to your complaints.

How's that website update coming?

Oops - forgot the proof:
The levees are certified and Yuba County got a lot of money. Can't refute that.

TOPIC County services, HOWEVER 2grand using invalidator tactics, why? Must have an ulterior motive...

Guess I have to chime n here.................

Rex you were indeed banned from the Plumas Lake Forum BEFORE it was taken over by the A-D. Please don't try to bullshit the people on this forum.

As for proof that your allegation that Yuba County improperly received reimbursement that has been posted previously (on several occasions), you simply refuse to accept that proof since you would have to admit you are wrong.

You stated previously that you were indeed FIRED by Sheriff Virginia Black. Like everything else you keep changing the story.

As for the 1989 statute you were a reserve deputy for several years after. You didn't complain about back then even though there was at least one Sheriffs election during the time you were a Reserve Deputy.

I guess the conspiracy against you started way back in 1989.............or before that even?

You are like a broken 78rpm record which has been played one time to man, or perhaps a better analogy is that you are like a one legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen pond (constantly going around in circles in a state of confusion).

Call us invalidators until the cows come home but the fact remains we have taken the time to do the research required to refute your claims regarding the levees, the 1989 Sheriffs election statute, and our Constitutional Rights (5th Amendment, mistrial, hung jury, etc).

Interesting how you keep posting here where there is limited viewing. Why not post on your blog where those who are interested (and agree with you) can read what you have to say.

Why not enjoy life Rex? Sure seems like you are the one who feels bad about himself and life in general.

How now brown cow, invalidatordead speaks, harken, hear the master invaladator, see the master perform, hark! He posts !! draw near all < come close hear him, the all knowing invalidator guru from plumas lake, INVALIDATORDEAD HAS RISEN FROM the south county.

cleanup said:
TOPIC County services, HOWEVER 2grand using invalidator tactics, why? Must have an ulterior motive...

TOPIC county services, HOWEVER javadator using invalidastor tactics, why? must have an ulterior motive. ...

Remember a while back I mentioned my sister who is a psychologist, I guess she is an invalidator as well since she read some of what you wrote and agreed with me that you are a narcissist.

Get over yourself Rex and get the help that you need.

Call myself and others invalidators all you want Rex, that isn't going to change anything in your life.


Any post by javainvalidatordead contains all types of slander but no topic. like 2grands, he must be related to someone in management to get by with no topic input, just graffiti.

The county powers are holding a closed session meeting tuesday and it involves the TRLIA executive Director, Paul Brunners performance this year.

From the proof I have Posted, it appears he should be fired and held for trial.

However, the BOS claims they know nothing about his activities, if so, how can they evaluate him?

Oh well we still have the state.

There has not been any news even though the last time this came up, The A-D published that the BOS 'generally' approved of his management.

I wonder what this years evaluation was.

I heard the BOS or TRLIA one or both today, 11-15-2011 evaluated Paul Brunner through their attorney, in a closed session. If the Board does anything but demote Brunner and the other two Engineers for falsifying letters to State and Federal officials for Grant money and accreditation's, The Boards need to be investigated also IMO.

Well, I have been taken off topic by the invalidators but back to the Topic, The Hands of Yuba County increasing their salary's through means other than we the people doing it. The increase of services such as all departments have done is unnecessary given the meager 70,000 population of the County and no building, no patrol of every street, all that is needed is reduction of personnel from the top down to the totals of the year of 2002, Reduction of Spending, and county officials honor the oath of office they took to follow the Constitution of the Federal and state.

Yuba county is not Sutter County and needs to stop trying to copy them after all they do have a tremendous base of support through business while YUba County under the present Management have driven Business away, hoping they can develop a new town south of Olivehurst as they have planned since at least 2005, so they can get taxes from them.

The County as I have said, I believe has used unaudited funds to support overhead such as salaries, retirements, that are so out of whack with the tax base that all but invalidators will see plainly.

Cleanup: Logged on to see how the foothill residents are doing. This is very familiar, each and every time cleanup brings up a subject there comes a rash of dissenters or ones who are determined to disagree with whatever he states. Rather missed all that. Do not bother to respond as I just borrowed this pc for today. Have a great day.

Of course the real story is Yuba County is desperate for money. So, staff is trying every method known to man to increase revenue. Extra fees for 5 dogs, yes, that's a good one. Who can argue with that. And so it goes.

True, The money supply gained in 2005 to support an increase to over 900 Employees is gone, so the answer is to return to the 400 or so that this county can legally support.

In today's, 4-11-12, Territory Dispatch front page by John Mistler, it is said a Yuba County Jury convicted two brothers under Penal code 148, resisting Officers. " Every person who willfully delays, obstructs any public officer.." is the charge, but the story says the officer was not delayed or obstructed, as admitted by the officer.

The story goes on to say five or so officers eventually were involved trying to determine what charges they could apply to the two brothers who hung a sign from an overpass on the state highway saying TAXES=THEFT.

Being an Ex Cop I can imagine the Conversation probably covered several penal code sections but the officers finally after finding no charge that would hold up. apparently decided to ignore the Sign, the original cause for five officers to be there with the two brothers, and charge them with Willfully delaying or obstructing the original officer on the scene.

Again, being an Ex Yuba County Cop, I had many, Many occasions to apply 148 PC during arrests, usually from Physical resistance, interference from Others, but never did I use it against a passive Citizen, that was over the top in my estimation.

The Judge, D.A. should never have let this case into court, The Jury should have reread the Constitution requiring Evidence be shown showing willful delaying or obstructing the officer. This needs to be looked at further.

The Yuba County sheriff is protected by an illegally applied statute that prevents us common voters from booting him out of the office. The last election and the one prior to that a common citizen tried to return real law, non political, enforcement to the county following a disastrous two terms of office from a Sheriff who stopped visible street patrol in Yuba County, and after not running again, recommended the under sheriff who followed the agenda only worse.

Under the Statute The agenda started in 1989 will be in effect as they planned until a County clerk is hired who will permit a constitutional qualified candidate to run for the office.

How will the brothers' claim "TAX = THEFT" play out? People will lose faith in government? People will lose faith in the brothers? Another scandal will make the news and everyone will forget the brothers and their message? The County will be sued by the brothers for failing to govern?

 

Not to worry. Yuba County carries Errors and Omissions Insurance and other insurance. (I hope so, anyawy.) If the brothers sue, for whatever reason and by some chance prevail, whatever damages are awarded, if any, will by paid by the insurance company. Not the officers.

 

Yuba may have to pay and then submit for insurance. I'm not sure of the details. Maybe somenone reading YubaFoothills knows about insurace coverage. Or knows who to ask regarding insurance coverage. Coverage for damages done by county employees or electeds.

 

So what can go wrong? What happens if the courts find for the brothers? Yuba makes a claim against insurance. Yuba probably has a deductible. So Yuba puts the detuctible into an escrow while Yuba appeals the decision.

 

The insurance company reviews the claim and pays or refuses.

 

If insurance pays, the insurance rates will probably increase. Not to worry, Yuba will just cut something else to continue insurance.

 

If insurance refuses, Yuba can pick up the balance, or throw the officers under a bus. If Yuba throws the officers under a bus, lotsa luck with hiring police officers. Police are indemnified while performing their duties. If the County fails to indemnify, or if the County instructs the officers incorrectly and fails to indemnify we end up with a lawyers full employment situation.

 

In the meantime, the original message from the brothers "TAX = THEFT" becomes even more ingrained in the hearts and minds of the public.

 

Why did the brothers think tax was theft in the first place. As well as the second place and third place?

 

These are Dick Boyd's opinions. Not stated as fact. If you want the facts, you might ask the Yuba Grand Jury. I said might, not should or must.

 

If you are curious enough to ask the Grand Jury, you might also ask the Grand Jury to write an educational release regarding the  duties of the county risk manager. Or similar title that buys insurance and makes sure employees and electeds are educated. Educated so as not to make errors or fail to do something.

 

Asking the Yuba Grand Jury to investigate indemnity  may not be a good route. Individuals on the Yuba Grand Jury were sued as individuals several years ago. As I understand, those individuals have a gag order not to talk about the details.

 

Another reason not to worry is that Rex Arccher and John Mistler seem to be the only ones making any noise.

 

The attacks might start on Rex, forcing Rex to be quiet or destroying Rex's credibility.

 

Or someone in the powers to be (PTB) will read this message and decide that the PTB will not be well served to use those tactics.

 

John Mistler, The Territorial-Dispatch and Don Rae and maybe the Tea Party and Buck Weckman will get some mileage from the brothers without an attack on Yuba government.

 

What is your opinion? Is "TAX = THEFT" a true statement? Did the brothers have the right to hang a sign on a bridge? What is the issue?

Tax is not theft. It is necessary to fund the expeness of the government. The waistfull spending of our tax money is theft.

 

 Over Passes are state property and I don't think it is a great idea to hang stuff from them. The chance of it coming loose in a wind and obstructing 65 mile an hour traffic is to great.

 I sign along the road or at stop lights are the best and safest place to reach motorists.

The issue as I see it from Experience is the issue of the SIGN was left aside due to no Penal code being broke and the issue became Willful disobedience by the two brothers according to the District Attorney and the Sheriffs department and upheld by a Jury.

That is the issue that could be tried in court, the later issue of charging trying, and convicting the brothers with a charge that according to the original officer at the scene, did not happen.

If it did not happen, why did the D.A and Sheriff go forth with a bogus trial? To prove they could? To teach a lesson to those who speak out against Government gone awry?

That is where the case against the County probably will go.

When you question ones authority they show you just how much authority they have.

 

 Now what can be done about it?

 

 what should be done?

 

 How can it get done?

Chain asked three questions about fixing a broken government.

 

I have started a new thread called "Political Education" as a venue to answer those questions.

 

Possible answers to all three (as I see it) is to first come to an agreement about what the problem is. Define the problem so we have a common understanding of who the bad guy is and why he or she is the bad guy.

 

The brothers defined the problem as "Tax = Theft". Can tax be theft? Yes. Is all tax theft? No.

 

The brothers (in my opinion) are using an elephant gun to kill a mouse. Granted, the mouse has become pretty big. The mouse has grown for a number of reasons. One reason is that people keep feeding the mouse. People think the mouse is their savior. Because the mouse keeps saying taxes are evil. Even to the point of getting elected. Elected to wolf in chief.

 

To help with the common understanding, I propose this quote from Benjamin Franklin 

 

 

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_by/benjamin+franklin

 

 

upthechain said:

When you question ones authority they show you just how much authority they have.

 

 Now what can be done about it?

 

 what should be done?

 

 How can it get done?

 

 

The two brothers did not question the law enforcement officers authority, they were stating a belief to the General public, a basic first amendment right, that right. The Law enforcement officer injected himself into the issue as is his right, as I probably would have done back in the day.

 

However, rather than investigating, advising the two brothers what ever the officer felt he had to advise them, the officer apparently in some manner escalated the ant hill into a Mountain, bringing life long 148 Penal code charges to the fray and bringing another 4 officers in also.

 

Again, Back in the day, the issue would have never got off the ground because there was no complaint requesting the officer to pull over and investigate. The officer would have if any thing reported to the County dispatcher, " Referance only, 10-8."

 

As said, there was no penal code law broken by the brothers maybe a 1st amendment violation by the officer.

 

What can be done about it?

 

Citizenes must insist the County follow the Constitution as written.

 

What Should be done?

 

Citizines must demand the County follow the Constitution as written

 

How can it get done?

 

Citizines must demand their supervisors supervise and enforce the following of

 

the Constiturion as written.  The Two brothers example given shows there was no

 

law broken by the brothers, however, the officers fabricated a law, 148 PC, to

 

charge them with, probably a violation of the 1st amendment, at least a

 

violation of the spirit of the Law.