It looks like the military is going to be able to detain U.S. citizens on U.S soil and send them to Guantonimo indefinatley without charges.

 

 The U.S is being declaired a battlefield in the war on terror and the military is being authorized to work in our borders.

 

 People who have missing fingers or own guns or have weather proofed amunition or store more than seven days worth of food CAN,  not will, be suspected of being a terrorist.

 I have all my fingers but I own a gun and I keep my amunition inside and I grow my own wheat and make my own flour and cornmeal. I am a veteran and am now posting this on a website. I might be on a list.

 

 Should the soldiers and all law enforcement now get hazard pay for working in a battlefield?

 

 The scary thing is these are the same people that are in charge of securing our border and keeping guns out the hands of the Mexican drug cartells and airport security where they strip search 84 year old women. Just to be fair and treat every one the same.

 

 

 Sorry about the spelling.

 

 

upthechain - From a fellowe veteran thank you for yoru service.

If you read the pertinent section of the bill in question 1031-1033 what they are hyping in the media is definitely not thecase. I've read those sections and it sepcifically excludes Citizens and Resident Aliens. I would like to see the final bill in this they supposedly further solified the protection of U.S. citizens. As for being on Americian soil hat still remains within the pervue of Law Enforcement and not the Military.

Posse Comitatus?

Such is the life of people who get their information from biased sources, hear only what they want to hear, live in false fear that the government is taking over and like to incite angst and anger in the community by spreading their misinformation...
Wake up people and get better informed before posting. Research BOTH sides of the story. Stop inciting unnecessary fear!

I got the information from a CBS web site. It is a small section in the defense spending bill.

 

 It gives the military power to detain terror suspects and their allies indefinitly. That is all well and good, but as United States citizens we have rights that should be protected.

 

 remember when homeland security said that veterans should be watched because they had training in weapons? That made me think. The government might just put me on a list.

 

 I love my country and broke my back while in service to her. When 9-11 happened I learned what it was like to be on someones list.

 

 As a country we had no problem with Muslim extremists, however the Muslim Extremist had us on a list. They acted on that list and 9-11.

 

 It is important to know who thinks that you are an enemy or a threat. In a world of zero tolerence there is no room for understanding and reasoning. The decision making process is turned over to a beuracracy and taken out of the hands of those in authority and turns civil servants into beuracrats and drones. Think of the Alameda fire department that let that guy drown, because it was against policy to conduct a water rescue with uncertified personel. To be fair the idiot was commiting suicide, but a few years ago a fire fighter would have swam out their and saved him regardless.

 

 With all of the troops that are comming home from Iraq and all that are still serving and have served. It is up to us to make sure that their service is not in vain. They protect our freedom with force and weapons. We must protect theirs with vigilence and votes.

 

 So let us discorse and learn and try to understand one another. Fear thrives in ignorance, but ignorance thrives in stubborn arragance.

 

 I am always ready to admit that I may be wrong and in this case I may be, but I don't think I am. If I am then we will have a fun time writing about it back and forth, I am sure.

 

 Again sorry about the spelling.

I do believe this is being taken care of. See below:

December 15, 2011
Feinstein: Prohibit Indefinite Detention of American Citizens Without Trial or Charge

‘Constitution gives every citizen the basic due process right to a trial on their charges’
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, today introduced the Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011, legislation that states American citizens apprehended inside the United States cannot be indefinitely detained by the military.

The Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 amends the Non-Detention Act of 1971 by providing that a Congressional authorization for the use of military force does not authorize the indefinite detention—without charge or trial—of U.S. citizens who are apprehended domestically.

The Feinstein bill also codifies a “clear-statement rule” that requires Congress to expressly authorize detention authority when it comes to U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents. The protections for citizens and lawful permanent residents is limited to those “apprehended in the United States” and excludes citizens who take up arms against the United States on a foreign battlefield, such as Afghanistan.

Sounds hopeful to me.

upthechain - Have you read the pertinent sections of the bill? One of my additional duties as a State employee is legislative analysis and my read on the bill is that it is explicitly exclude U.S. citizens and legal residents within our borders. if you are a U.S. citizen who takes up arms or conspires against the United States while outside our borders and are captured on the battlefield then this provision of the bill could (and should in my opinion) be applied to you.

I applaud those who want to keep our Government in check, however the media in this case is making "news" out of thin air and trying to cause panic.

Purposeful obfuscation as usual. There are separate parts that say different things. Sounds a lot like most of those running for president now doesn't it?

How can we not be obfuscated with all of the news outlets and none or few of them actualy reporting facts and not opinions.

 I took what I thought was a credible source and ran with it.

 

 I looks like some liscence was taken with the allies of terrorists. Allies taken as to mean anyone regardless of who or where they are from.

 

 The military should not work on American soil. They have enough to worry about. If the FBI, ATF, and various other state and federal agencies can't do the job then what help are the military going to be? They are not trained or designed to work with civilians in the U.S.

 

 How do we know the truth? With the thread of vaccines and clean up running his own thread and the apparent inability to actually find the source of the story. It feel like we have to hop in our cars and drive to washington and look into it for our selves.

 

 I'll grab the keys and you grab the doughnuts lets go. 

To be honest I'm not sure where people are reading in the bill that ity applies to U.S. citizens WITHIN our borders. There is no obfuscation, in fact it VERY clearly states that U.S. Citizens are excluded and that LEGAL Resident Aliens have protections, though not to the same level as an American citizen. The Military is most certainly operating on American as some peopel seem to think they can, we have, and use other agencies for the purpose of enforcing laws within ou borders.

You don't need to get in the car and go to Washington DC, just read the bill in question.

I was looking forward to the doughnuts

OK, i got the doughnuts. Then I ate them. Thanks, Chain.

Javadad,
Here's a bit of what I'm referring to-
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-indefinite-detention-bill-does-apply-to-american-citizens-on-u-s-soil.html

Read the article you linked and it says the same as other articles, is is factually incorrect since it section 1032 references back to 1031, hence they are linked. The last paragraph of 1032 specifically refers to U.S. citizens and in 1031 it also states................."(e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States."

It refers to public law which was enacted afrer 9/11 and clearly defines the Al Qaida and the Taliban as the targets. That said the SecDef can waive the listed for National Security reasons after consulting with the SecState and DNI.

The legislation is actually well written and the media is simply hyping it up to make news and scare people. If you actually the legislation in it's entirety you will see that it doesn't threaten our freedoms,

why omit anyone, since when can a terrorist from anywhere not come here and become a citizen with a little work and effort. if that bill passes, the first step in attacking america will be to become a citizen to avoid suspicion or search.

Is it that impossible to think that a citizen would not make a threat or take action, terrorist or otherwise against america?

if it walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.. guess what... citizen or not, if you choose to behave like a terrorist you should be subject to treatment as one.

swizzle - No one is omitted, they simply handle non citizens differently. American citizens would be handled in accordance with their Constitional rights.

Hmmm... Seems to me that 'Constitutional rights' are being abrogated right and left. Why should we not object to ANYTHING that even smacks of totalitarianism?
Our kind of freedom has never in it's history been hanging on such a tenuous thread.

OK ....Here's even more clarity on the hellish situation the CITIZEN'S of the USA are now subjected to thanks to the criminals in DC.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034538_NDAA_American_citizens_indefinite_detainment.html

NDAA is H.R. 1540
Go to THOMAS(Library of Congress) and read the bill. That is IF you can get past the "legaleze" in order to understand it.

Thanks bluehorse for the URL for Natural News. Very informative.

Fear: False Evidence Appearing Real!

My opinions, only opinions. Wtih this and three dollars you mignt be able to get a cup of coffee.

USA PATRIOT was a knee jerk reaction to the destruciton of the World Trade Centers.

An action to give the appearance that government was doing something. Even if it was wrong.

Four year extentsion of USA PATRIOT in the Obama administrattion with a whole bunch of support from the Congress critters.

What is the underlying problem? People are evil? People are good? People are neither evil or good? People don't understand each other?

In any case, good, evil, indifferent, understanding, what is the solution? Send Sgt. Tackelberry out to get the cat out of the tree? Ignore things until it happens in Linda? (again) Lock people up and throw away the keys? Habeus corpus? Send the incompetents to DC to get them out of the way locally?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/us/cars-set-on-fire-and-los-angeles-set-on-edge.html?nl=afternoonupdate&emc=aua2

Witch Hunt? Hysteria? Does this story illustrate the "lone wolf" terrorist? The type story that inflames the public to the point of demanding action form the elected represenatives?

Arrest everyone and sort htings out later. Much later.

Take action. Even if that action is wrong? And will the public reaction only make the situation worse as copycats take up the torch for nothing better than to get publicity?

Exactly who are these people that torch cars? We don't know now, but when we find out, everyone will tut-tut that they knew who it was. Even if it wan't the one who lit the particular fire.

Just read another interesting piece. The bill they passed may backfire on the criminals in charge.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/239772-How-Congress-is-Signing-its-own-Arrest-Warrants-in-the-NDAA-Citizen-Arrest-Bill

Listen to Mike Savage 650 AM 3 to 6 PM. He's the only one talking about NDD in the media. It's just more liberal attempt to control!! God Bless America! We need it!

Thanks bluehorse for the URL for "how congress is signing its own arrest warrants"

I have to agree with Naomi Wolf.

Do our "congresscritters" ever read what they are about to sign? Makes one wonder.

You are very welcome Loraine :)
Here's an update on the NDAA situation.
Someone in the government is proposing a fix.
I might just have to vote for this guy.

http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories/ViewNews/Ron_Paul_Introduces_Bill_to_Repeal_Indefinite_Detention_of_Americans_120120

Mike Savage is hard for me to listen to. He is just so full of himself and the way he treats his callers. I hate it when he hangs up on people when they ask how he is. He says it is because he doesn't want to waste time, but he will talk about his dog for ever.

 

 What he says may be true, but it is just seems like their is no reason and all ranting.

 

 Also when they do replays it seems like they always play the same one over and over. i heard the same show three days in a row.

 

 I like Armstrong & Ghetty. They talk about everything and are willing to listen to callers and try to make sense of the situation.

Good on Virginia! They're not letting it happen on their watch. May they encourage the rest of the states to stand up for the constitution too!

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/02/28/ndaa-nullification-passes-virginia-senate-by-a-veto-proof-39-1-vote/

Here's a good synopsis of this treasonous act-

March 18, 2012
Obama signed a new Exec. Order in the night that allows him to take over all libertys 3/16/12
Did you know that King O. signed a new exec. order that let's the government take over now if they choose?
"Planning martial Law in advance of CANCELING the election?”
This executive order makes it clear they are planning for war as well as a'national emergency'. That they create! Which could also be a way of superseding the sale to other countries of our lands and resources and bringing them all back under the President and Homeland Security.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
The Exec.Order allows the nationalization of pretty much the entire USA even in peacetime if he desires. They can, under this order, restrict civilian travel by any mode, including (probably) foot travel. They can ration food. They can restrict water usage, even from private wells. They can ration any and all drugs, including OTC and vitamins. They can collectivize farms. They can take over all energy production, including home solar units.
It also allows for drafting civilians. If they have need of your skills, they can compel you to work for no compensation.
All this not in a time of war, but in time of “National Emergency” (several EO national emergency states already in place) or even in Peacetime
controlling the food.

That’s in there:

Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.
(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).
They can take charge of all aspects of food production and processing.
control energy:
PART II - PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS
Sec. 201 ...
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to ALL FORMS of energy; ...
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PART VIII - GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 801. Definitions.
(b) "Energy" means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy...
control working for no money:
Sec. 502. Consultants. The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation and to employ experts, consultants, or organizations. The authority delegated by this section may not be redelegated
Here’s your Civilian Military Force (Brown Shirts?)
PART V - EMPLOYMENT OF PERSONNEL
Sec. 501. National Defense Executive Reserve. (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall issue necessary guidance for the NDER program, including appropriate guidance for establishment, recruitment, training, monitoring, and activation of NDER units and shall be responsible for the overall coordination of the NDER program. The authority of the President under section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), to determine periods of national defense emergency is delegated to the Secretary of Homeland Security.





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They DID it!
Masses of vigilant Virginia citizens kept biting their representatives butts until they finally made them actually pass the NDAA NULLIFICATION ACT!
Now... for the rest of the counrty.

http://targetfreedom.com/cfr/ndaa-nullification-becomes-law-in-virginia/

Here's Judge Napolitano on our constitution and Nullification - EXCELLENT!
It's what we need to know to take our country back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37tEeO-qTYo