Away from topic for a few.
Javadad, you say about me" you are nothing", that is a personal attack on myself, has nothing to do with the topic, I request the forum management if they can, to rebuke you and insist that you stay away frrom inflamatory statements directed at a man you have never met. FORUM MANAGEMENT please note.

You have shown you do not like me but that goes two ways, however I do not spend my life trying to belittle you at every turn, do the same for me.

The victem in this case is the people of the state of california by TRL:IA falsely claiming they spent Local funds on the States levees constructing sand berms in an area where no sand berms are constructed. The Proper place to file a charge for false claims in the State of California, just where the claim has been filed. The Attorney General is required to diligently investigate and prosecute all involved if the evidence proves compelling, as I belive it does, 

Questions I do not have answers to yet are where is the $43.000.000 granted to TRLIA for supposed sand berms? Who got the idea to file a claim for prop 13 tax funds for the non existant sand berms? Who in the State DWR granted the $43,000,000 with out verification of construction? Who knew? when did they know?

No answer are needed, the state will have to find that out in their diligent investigation.

Oh please Rex, you're joking right?  How many times have you attacked and belittled those who don't agree with your perspective.  BTW you have yet to address my recent postings, is that because you have no way of rebuking what I've posted.

Actually Rex and answer is required from you since you are making accusations I've easily refuted.  Although i would expect nothing less from you since you have an issue with people who challenge your claims.  There are 4 sands berms identified, 2 large ones, including the one at the 86 break site a long one attached to it which is 90 feet wide and 2 smaller 90 foot berms,  of the four berms three are readily identifiable in an overhead view on Google Maps.  I've gone through the drawings and other documents pretty extensively now and find none of the issues which you claim.

Thank you Rex, you have made this very clear to me. No evidence. Refusal to provide information you allege to hold. It wasn't that long ago you were screaming to anyone that would listen about Yuba County making claims against you without evidence. You do the same thing! It is obvious this is some sort of game to keep your name out there as you attempt to be a thorn in Yuba County's side. You'll never get credit even if you are right - something you do not have the ability to prove. It is entertaining.....thanks for chuckles.

" of the four berms, three are readily viewable." 

Ah, but what of the fourth? Do the giant trees or residences block it from view? Why is the fourth not viewable? 

Excellant question Rex, very easy to answer.

There are no giant trees or residences to block the sand berm in question from view since there are no giants or residences where the sand berm is located according to the specifications.  If you actually looked at the drawings you know that but the fact that you say that indicates the claims are non-sense.  Additionally the imagary readily available on Google and other sites are:

1)  Not always up to date - The overhead of my neighborhood is 3+ years old.  It is possible the  sand berm wasn't completed at the time the image was taken, or was in the process of being completed.

2) Low resolution - The three sand berms I referenced are much larger areas which anyone could easily discern.  With higher resolution imagery you would be amazed at the details which are visible. Images are glued together and depending on the angle at which the imagary was taken thelighting and features aren't always clear.

Your claim of being paid for work not done make no sense, especially since there is no way they would place a sand berm where residences are located, unless they used eminent domain to buy the property and raze the houses in question.  The available drawing are quite specific and very detailed with regards to the location of the sand berms, and other information, right down to property lines and the location of telephone, cable, and other utilities.  Exactly what one would expect from a project of this magnitude.

Is there anything else I can educate you on Rex?  I thought as the former President of RD 784 you had some knowledge?

As you drive towards Marysville on Highway 70 from Linda/Olivehurst, on the right side of the road, just before you enter the bridge, a person, by looking to the right, will see giant trees and mobil homes situated along the levee toe area on the land side.

I know the area you speak of and there is nothing specifying the building of a sand berm there, the sand berm, as indicated in the engineering documents, stops just to the East of that location.  You claim to have shown officials a problem where none exist.

Have a great day Rex and keep trying.

That is what I have said, there is no sand stability berms from the Highway 70 bridge to the shad road, you now agree accourding to your last post and accourding to the drawings and Google pictures you have observed, there is no sand berms from the Shad Road to the east side of the Highway 70 bridge.

However, in numerous contracts including the latest, a Early implementation / prop 84 funding agreement between the DWR and TRLIA for a levee flattening project, it was based " seepage berms and stability berms from just west of the Highway 70 bridge to the bridge and from the East side of the Highway 70 bridge to the SPRR UPRR tracks.

That is the part that does not add up, If TRLIA had stated : Seepage and stability berms from the UPRR SPRR tracks to the Shad Road on the land side of the South Yuba levee, along the toe, that would have held true.

It appears from looking at the State reclamation board Permit signed by Stephen T, Bradley for the General Manager, dated July 21 2005 that the State and Corps approved the Seepage stability berms from the SPRR tracks, to a Downstream point approximately 150 feet west of highway 70.

That appears to be what TRLIA submitted to DWR for Prop 13 frunding to be used to reimburse TRLIA for what they say they spent in local funds in 2005 constructing those sand berms.

As has been determined here, the levee section from the east side of highway 70 to the shad road was not constructed, then as I stated, TRLIA falsely claimed State funds for work not done.

There was no false claim or fraud Rex, the documents submitted show the exact work completed, and hence the work which was reimbursed.  You keep digging in hopes of finding something and you keep failing.  You say there was no work done on the levee at the point of the 86' break, which is false.  Then you claimed there was fraud and that TRLIA and Yuba County were reimbursed for work not completed, yet there in the documents submitted the exact work completed is detailed.  I can understand why DWR has asked you nicely to stop contacting them since you keep throwing things out there and hoping it sticks.

Well we were goiung along good until you regressed to off the wall statements that mean nothing. You do not want to or can not see what is in front of you , and I kick myself for engaging you with facts.

I know you will try to get the last word by saying I have no facts, fortunately you are not a member of State agencys who are looking quietly into this issue.

This was a mistake to engage you, I will not do so again! 

Fortunately no State agency is wasting time on this non-issue Rex.  The mistake of any Government agency/employee is to engage you.  Most of the people you engage see through your non-sense.

The only fact everyone can agree upon is Rex won't quit as long as he's breathing.

ROFLMAO 2Grands ROFLMAO

From what has been discovered TRLIA has Constructed a 90 foot wide and 300 foot wide sand berm under Permit 17921, between the UPRR tracks and Shad Road. From Spread sheets sent by DWR engineers, three projects 4600003890, 4600003891, 4600004326, used as justification" Seepage berms constructed on the West and East side of highway 70, for $25,375,566 in reimbusement from DWR.

Another project that used the same justification was the 2009 Levee flattening project which DWR reimbursed to TRLIA in the amount of just under 1,000,000.

Given those figuers, DWR reimbursed TRLIA with $26,000,000 for the sand berms TRLIA constructed between just behind the Wal mart and Shad Road. I have a hard time believing TRLIA spent $26,000,000 on those two sand berms in 2005.

Keep digging Rex,,\ maybe you'll dig up some of those boulders and the shattered foundation under the levee.

Ever heard of a revision Rex?

For Sale,,,,,,,, One 1910 model levee, built by farmers from river run dredged up to keep the Yuba river from their crops. Over the years there has been very little work done on the upgrading and in fact until the Levee broke in 1986 and the powers had to stop the flow of Water through the levee, it had virtually no work.  In 2004 a agency called TRLIA headed up by Richard Webb and Daniels Russell Logue, this fine levee was given some upgrades finally, A Slurry wall! A Sand Berm!! A ..., whups, thats all I can think of for extras. What? Oh the slurry wall, well, sure it only reaches part way from the Highway 70 to the UPRR tracks, but hey, that is the way TRLIA does things, Half Way.  Oh O.K. $40,000,000

What about the sand berms reaching from just West of Highway 70 to just beyond the SPRR ? Oh the Sand berms , well hey, they built two seepage berms along the land side between Wal mart and the Shad Road, one half of a sand triangle sand berm just east of the SPRR tracks, again that is how TRLIA constructs things.

Oh O.K.  $30,000,000

Ha! the engineers beg to differ with you, they even submitted to DWR requests for not one sand berm on the West Side and East side of Highway 70 to Shad Road, but they were successful in getting not Just $4,700,000 for the one project request, but, now get this, they got another $4,300,000 for the same described work! NO WAY! Way, they in fact got $15,500,000 for the same Project again, and in 2009, TRLIA used the same Tired by then, " constructed sand Stability berms from just West of Highway 70 Bridge to the east side of the Bridge and from there to the Shad pad Road."

Hey! this levee has made TRLIA $ 43,000,000 since 2007, come on you can still make money on it, How about $20,000,000?

Some people say they went to look to see if TRLIA really placed berms from Shad Road to the Highway 70 bridge and saw no berms, however one poster without looking at all says TRLIA placed sand berms exactly where they said. Huh.

Alright Make an Offer, Sure the Corps of Engineers withdrew their certification in 2009, but Hey! FEMA still accredits the levee based on the Hired Project Manager Ric Reinhardt personal Guarantee the Levee is solid, and you can take that to the bank, Just ask Him.


How did they do this? ( This is for you to fill in)

The butler did it with his secret potion. 

What this poster said Rex is that is that TRLIA submitted paperwork to be reimbursed for work completed, the documents submitted are accurate since they don't indicate and seepage/sand berm in the short distance from the Shad Road to Highway 70.  You claim TRLIA was reimbursed for work they FALSELY claimed was performed, the submitted documents show the exact work performed and for which reimbursement was received.

There is a movement afoot in Yuba County by Officials to Certify levees to 200 year level, to get there, they must first meet Federal Criteria for 100 year level. There is no way they can get the Yuba River South bank levee legally certified under Federal Law 44 CFR 65.10 so they approved what is called a" system " approach where they consider all the levees, the Bear, the Feather, and the Yuba as a system.

This permits the New set back levees on the Feather and Bear rivers to be combined with the Yuba and get certification from MBK engineers, the very engineers who directed TRLIA in the levee work and probably came up with the System idea. We all can agree the new setbacks can probably stand alone and be certified easily, but the Yuba on the other hand, has had no requirements of 44 CFR 65.10 met as shown by the Home office of the Corps of Engineers when they removed the Certificate issued by Robert Trainer PE another Engineer like Ric Reinhardt PE of MBK Engineers.

The old adage A chain is as weak as its weakest link is fitting in this case, The County is relying on MBK engineers certification, not for Safety of People IMO, but to use the system approach to the State mandated 200 year certification among other plans. One half a Slurry wall, a levee side flattening to a 3;1 slope. That is the total work done on the levee proper. No analysis of the YUba River stability, erosion , foundation, just a 30 ft and 300 ft wide sand berm from Shad road to the just behind Wal mart.

Still, The County in 2007 received $43,000,000 in reimbursements for phantom work they stated as done. Where is the Money? The Auditor knows, The County Administrator Knows, the Community Development officer knows,

Yet on the A-D you are defending the auditor.  You can;t have it both ways Rex, the auditor is either complicit in this or not, which is it?

How does Liberal Vs. Conservative fit in? Yuba County is supposedly conservative, conservatives usually want small governments, less interference  from Government , where Liberals want bigger government, more government support and interference, so how did Yuba county become ran by Liberals? Since 2005 Yuba County has doubled in employees and insists on keeping the growth intact. Conservatives want to follow the laws as written, Liberals want to make their own rules to follow, such as the Motto of County officials, we can, you can't.

Liberals in power do not permit audits of the County funds, and hope they can continue to get State tax funds to grow their utopia East of Linda. But to be successful at that venture, they have to have accomplices to release the tax funds with no checking to see if the work is actually constructed.

Are the liberals in Conservative clothing? How did the Conservative Republicans turn to Growing Yuba County government? Ask the officials who were in office in 2005.

Didn't you run for office so you could become part of Yuba County government? Guess that was different......

I and 2 other conservative citizens ran against Durfor, Logue and Mcgrath in a last ditch effort to stop corruption in Yuba County but we did not know at the time that No audits were being done of Levee funds incoming into Yuba County and we ran up against TRLIA Chairman Logues funding.

To this day The county powers will not permit an audit to see where almost $ 400,000,000 in Levee costs went. Estimates I have found of levee costs per Mile are now between 1 and 3 Million per mile, So the 29 miles of RD 784 levees should have cost at most $90,000,000, brand new . When I was president of RD 784 the cost per Mile was 1 Million.

Am I the only person who can add ?  Or am I the only one awake?

How did you you derive your estimates? $1 Million per mile from 15 years ago.........

Additionally the estimates you speak of were prior to the break which occurred in 1997 at Star Bend, something which I'm sure had many rethinking our levee situation and was a driving factor for building a set back levee at that point.  If money weren't an issue I suspect we would have seen use of eminent domain in acquiring other land on which to build additional set back levees.

In the simplest language possible Rex....................The scope of the project was different from when you were President of RD 784.  In addition the standards changed during that time-frame.  In other words you are comparing apples to oranges, rather than granny smith apples to macintosh apples.

You continue to claim to have evidence of wrong-doing, yet have never revealed it.  You have contacted multiple news agencies, nothing,  You have contacted multiple Government agencies, again nothing.  Either this is the biggest cover-up in the history of Yuba County or you trying to keep dry ice from melting, my instincts tell me it is the latter rather than the former in this instance.

The cost of levee construction is not my estimate, it is the Cost averaged from levee building costs. Look it up.

averaged from what year Rex?

What factors does your average take into account?  provide a link to back up your claims.

here is a good reference Rex..............................

http://www.stronglevees.com/cost/

$1-$3 Million per mile you say?

Here as a current estimate from experts.

The say anywhere from $40 Million per mile on up depending on factors.  I'll go on the low side and say $15 million per mile as an average, with 29 miles of levees there is your $400+ Million.

Those Experts are talking about CLAY levees, a commodity that is in shortage, these levees are not clay. 

Also, there were less than 10 miles of set back levees built, the rest were patch work.

I am well aware ofwhat these experts are talking about Rex, I am just giving an example from a reputable source, something you are always been unable to do.

Again that is why they call it an average since one mile of levee may cost $20 Million tobuild/rebuild, and the next mile may only cost $5 Million, add those up and you have $25 Million, and the AVERAGE is $12.5 Million.

In the case of the levees in our area you take $400 Million/29 Miles and that AVERAGES out to be just under $14 Million per mile of levee.  I've going to call that 2005 dollars and your high estimate of $3 Million per mile in 1994 dollars since that as I recall is the year of the estimate you've quote.  The estimate amount of work to be completed in 1994 was far less than the estimated work required in 2004, and far less expensive.

If the levee work had been completed as you keep saying it should be, that being to tear out the boulders and rebuild the 1986 section you could care less about what to the money and we wouldn't know you fromJack on the street.

Divide $400,000,000 by the less than 10 miles of new constructed set back levees, for a truer picture.

Wrong again Rex, as you said there are 29 miles of levees in RD 784, you need to look at the whole picture, not just 1/3 of the picture, it sounds like you are having a problem with your peripheral vision if you are having problems seeing the whole picture.  Perhaps you have an older camera which doesn't take high definition pictures, that is one way of getting a true picture.

 Javadad you always tell me to name my source. Name your experts? And who do you work for that would surprise me? Not that I am really impressed but since you feel it is so important to the Levee issue. Name them also.
Do you fight this so hard because maybe you don't really want to know what is going to happen to your area when the Levee breaks. I know it must be a worry to live in the back up area where the water sits for weeks. But then I think you should have had a little bit of worry in the beginning when you moved to a place with Lake in the name.
I do feel sorry for all of you in Plumas Lake when the water stands for weeks and everyone else is cleaning up and going back to their homes.But it will happen and trust me I in no way would enjoy saying I told you so.
 There are some papers that will be shown to prove all I have stated is true. And there is a reason I am waiting. But it will happen!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forget 29 miles of levees, they only constructed 10 setback miles, those are the only numbers you can use, the rest were slurry walls sand berms, etc.

And Further, You hire a Engineer firm to construct 29 Miles of new levee and he tells you it will cost you $400,000,000. After he is done he asks you for $400,000,000 for the 29 miles of levee. You say no. you only built 10 miles, he says," You have to look at the big picture, you asked for 29 miles. Is he right? Under Liberal thinking he might be but under common sense, he is Nuts.

The firm wasn't hired to build 29 miles of new levee, only the 10 new miles of setback levee, which means they improved another 19 miles of levees with slurry walls, sand berms, etc.

We need a clock like National Debt Clock that counts the days Rex keeps this thread alive without ever providing the facts he claims to have. Has to be something like 18 months or better now.

We need a clock like National Debt Clock that counts the days Rex keeps this thread alive without ever providing the facts he claims to have. Has to be something like 18 months or better now.

Call it what you want, Yuba County spent $400,000,000 on two Set back levees, some slurry walls and sand berms and bought some property. something is wrong with that picture.

The picture that is wrong is accusations without proof again and again. The only person convinced you've got something is you - LOL!

What's wrong with this picture Rex?

The slurry wall costs according to the corps of Engineers is $ 800,000 per mile, the sand levees are anywhere from $ 1,000,000 to $3,000,000 per mile, sand berms depend on size. The cost to the citizens of California for TRLIAs levee work is $400,000,000. The two levee set backs cost $,30,000,000, if all 29 miles of levee had slurry walls installed, the cost would be $23,200.000. The total would be $53,200,000. Plus sand berms.

2 Grands, we all know you and Javadad do not like me but i have said, the feeling is mutual,  try to key in on the topic, You know, $400,000,000 given to Yuba county for levee work, $ 54,000,000 cost = $346,000,000 Left over.

Now try to address the topic, not your favorite subject ragging on me.

Javadad, You are wrong, you do not know what will happen when the levee fails, You have not lost your home and belongings to flood mud, feel lost and hoping to get back to the house you know is not like you left it. You have not been displaced from your home by a flood in Yuba county. You have no clue.

Aside from the last sentence the last paragraph in your previous post was accurate statement since I have not experienced the results of flooding due to a levee break.  Everything you said prior to that isn't backed up with sources.  As for not having a clue I've been around long enough to the see end result of natural disaster, and have experienced natural diasters other than a flood.  I have volunteered to to assist after natural disasters.

As for like or dislike you I am completely neutral in that regard.  Simply because I disagree doesn't mean I dislike you.  I disagree with with my family members on somes issues, especially since they are what I (and you) would call liberal, does that mean I dislike them as well?

Please post the web site or document from the USACE which backs up your statement reagrding the per mile cost of levees.   Please also review the documents provided by TRLIA which details the expenses.

So Rex why haven't you posted anything on your blog in the last 7 weeks or on the A-D since the beginning of the month?

Yubafoothills has a limited readership, what is your goal in posting on this forum?  If it is to get your message out that isn't going to happen to the extent it would if you posted elsewhere.

The only people engaging you here are myself and 2grands as of late and you haven't convinced either of us that your claims are accurate.